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"Now it officially gets nighttime," Nib Hader says of the opening sequence in "Barry" Flavor 3 Episode 7 – equally if this season hasn't already been dark enough. But equally the HBO series' third flavour nears its conclusion, the story is barreling towards levels of darkness and intensity it hasn't striking before.

That's all by design, Hader said in TheWrap's latest episodic interview with the co-creator, who also directed these final two episodes of the flavor. Barry finds himself in the custody of the father of Ryan Madison, the human being he was originally sent to Los Angeles to kill in the testify's first episode. And while the Chechens actually did the dirty work, Fuches (Stephen Root) has told Ryan Madison's dad that Barry was responsible for his son's death, and it culminates in an emotional confrontation at the terminate of the episode.

"Information technology'south painful, it's really emotional," Hader said. "I feel information technology, and information technology likewise just hits domicile of what I've e'er wanted to practise with the prove, which is you take this premise of hitman becomes an actor, and how funny, and this will be very glib — the amount of people who heard that pitch and went, 'Oh, I know what that's going to exist' — and you become, 'No, yous play information technology real.'"

Of form, reality doesn't quite extend to a dreamlike hallucination as Barry's on decease's doorstep. In i of the series' near hitting directorial flourishes, Hader channels his inner David Lynch and imagines Barry happening upon a beach filled with every person he'south ever killed. And no, he doesn't quite know what it means either.

"I don't know what information technology is," Hader said when asked if we're witnessing purgatory or a dream. "The ocean had always been a affair within the testify that was kind of about freedom, and the desert was always near this identify where death happens. But so I idea, 'Oh, information technology'd exist interesting if you have it on the bounding main, so what he idea was liberty was really just purgatory or something.'"

Hader also revealed the original iteration of this sequence was fifty-fifty more Lynchian (and "creepy"), only in the editing phase they decided to skin the sequence down to the emotional crux of Chris non recognizing Barry.

And if yous think Episode 7 is dark, just expect until adjacent week's season finale.

"I will say that the finale is incredibly intense," Hader warned. "There'due south non a lot of jokes in information technology. A couple of the actors have seen information technology and called me crying (laughs). Our colorist, very sweetness guy, said, 'It usually takes me a day to practice one of these episodes.' He said, 'Episode 8 took me a couple of days, considering I kept on having to have breaks.' I showed all the episodes to the writers, and 1 of our writers in the centre of Episode 8 had a full-blown panic set on. Then, I only want to warn people (laughs). Episode 8 is very intense, just I personally actually honey it, and I didn't see another place the prove could get."

Read on for our full interview in which Hader also talks about Gene's masterclass, Janice Moss' father, that Fuches interrogation scene and taking Noho Hank in Bolivia.

The opening of this episode is unexpected in lite of how last week's installment ended, as we instead open on a church revealing Ryan's dad. How did you hit upon that image?

I recollect everybody was waiting to come up right dorsum to where we left off, and I remember thinking, "Oh, this should kickoff with Ryan'due south dad." The initial idea, again, is what we tend to practise is we end upwardly writing things much more didactic and much more on the nose, and so y'all start to peel back. The version that nosotros had of this was Ryan's dad was at a church, and Ryan'due south mom basically believed that Ryan had been influenced by the devil in a manner, so she had written him off, and and so Ryan'southward dad all the same very much loved his son and he has Fuches' card with him, he keeps his bill of fare. And so he's looking at the card, and then we were going to friction match cut to the card beingness in Sharon's house and all that stuff. I was like, "Nosotros already kind of did that in Episode 4, match cuts with the cards. It just becomes a affair of you rehearse information technology, you think about it, and then it'south really that yous become to the set, y'all discover the church and you're at a tech scout and yous're looking at information technology. And then I go over to [cinematographer] Carl Herse and go, "What if everybody's continuing and we're just pushing in, and and so everybody sits downwards revealing him?" And that's information technology. And Carl went, "Oh, that's swell, man."

It's actually striking, because I was like, "Where are nosotros, and who are we post-obit?"

Yes, "What's about to happen?" Information technology gives you a tension of is someone going to come through those doors? And instead it's, "Oh, correct. This guy." I felt like information technology was very of import for the audience to commencement with, "Remember this guy?" He'south coming back. The clock's ticking with this guy.

Then we finally become back to Barry on the floor, and then the cut to the credits with no music, which I remember again is a mission statement that "fun times with Barry" are over for this season.

Aye, we're done (laughs). Nosotros did the motorcycle chase. It was fun. We had Mitch, the beignet guy. Okay, now we're done (laughs). At present information technology officially gets dark.

Well, there's a tiny respite in this episode, and that is Factor'south masterclass with his line readings of famous quotes, which was incredibly funny. But fifty-fifty that, because of the fashion this episode starts I was bracing for something terrible to happen at the showtime.

Information technology'south good to exist on your toes the whole time. Nosotros did that all in i, and Henry did a dandy job. The cop from Serpico. "Serpie."And I like the, "Hey, I'm acting hither. Ratso Rizzo." And I beloved the 2 kids in the interim class, the two students. "A ghost?" "Wrong." "Embarrassed?" "She'southward right." (laughs)

And then Annie comes up and gives her management and she'south great.

She'due south amazing.

I love the scene in which Annie seems confident, only and then confesses she has no idea what she's doing, and doesn't seem to know. Did that come a fleck from feel when you lot started showrunning or directing?

Yous know what? That came from Laura [San Giacomo]. We were rehearsing, and she said, "I only feel like she doesn't know what she's doing, and she's out of practice." And I went, "Correct." She was like, "I'd be interested to see what that was similar," and as we were talking well-nigh it I realized, "Oh, yeah. She tin't be a prop for Cistron to get his forgiveness." Gene's viewing it that way, as like, "Look, I gave you everything you want, so you can't be mad at me anymore." He'south yet doing it for himself. You know what I hateful?

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He's very happy about it and pleased with himself.

He's very happy, and feeling great about himself, just he's however doing it for himself. He doesn't really care. So, it was important to show what is her little arc in the episode, which is, "I don't know what I'thousand doing, but I can't let him know it." I like that idea. She was just saying, "I just would never want him to know that I don't know what I'm doing. I'thousand so angry with him." I just thought that was really interesting. So we came up with the thought of her and the script supervisor condign pals. And and so at the cease, where the guy'southward going, "You're astonishing," and now her career is dorsum on runway, it'southward not Gene that's similar, "Skilful task." Information technology'southward the script supervisor.

Aye Gene doesn't intendance.

That'southward what I mean, though. It's like, just because he is doing it, he'due south like, "I'll give you all the money," and everything like that, he still doesn't really give a sh-t. He's doing information technology so he can feel good virtually himself.

When we cut back to Barry he wakes up, walks outside and the bounding main is encroaching on the road. It has this dreamlike quality to it equally he enters – what do you call that? Purgatory? A dream?

Aye, I don't know what it is. The bounding main had always been a thing within the show that was kind of about freedom, and the desert was always about this place where expiry happens. But then I idea, "Oh, it'd be interesting if you accept it on the ocean, so what he thought was liberty was actually just purgatory or something." I don't know. Merely they're all waiting to exist either taken some identify or denounced, or… I don't really know what'due south happening. Just I volition say that there were various versions of that sequence, and it was much longer, of Barry getting in that location. He notices everybody initially, and we introduce that he's there with all the people that he's killed, and he's hanging out with them. And then information technology was a thing where you saw the clouds, and he's looking at the clouds, and and then y'all could see within the clouds a face, the manner that you would see a face in the clouds. And so there would exist heat lightning inside the clouds, and when that would calorie-free upwards, it would actually illuminate that there is this face looking down on him.

Information technology was supposed to be very creepy. There was a shaking guy, there was this guy that we shot in fast motion. It was all very David Lynch. And then we started putting it together, and as we were putting it together, considering it wasn't animated or annihilation even so, the only part of the sequence that moved me was when he saw Chris, and Chris didn't recognize him. And Barry does that piffling half-wave to him. That was the only moment that really moved me, and everything else was similar, "Well, how do we get this to work," you know?

Then I but said, "It doesn't want to work. This isn't leading with emotion, this is leading with a large idea. The emotion of the scene is virtually Chris, so let's just brand it about Chris." In one case nosotros did that, it cut together incredibly chop-chop.

Where did that idea come from initially, this thought of going into his listen substantially and having him confront all the people that he's killed?

I tin can't retrieve. I wrote those last two episodes during the pandemic, and I remember writing it and merely sending it to the writers and saying, "What practise yous think of this?" And everybody went, "Wow, okay." I recall because he had been poisoned, you simply took information technology, "Well, he tin can't simply be staggering around all episode. Maybe go into his head," and this fear of… or what is his version of where does he recall he's going to stop up? Does this poisoning requite him a chance to think about, "I'm doing all these things," in his mind to ameliorate himself and to be a better person, while he might already be f–ked. It doesn't affair what he does.

They're all just waiting and looking at the sky.

Yeah, they're just waiting for him. And he'south f–ked. So, it's done. You giving the money to Cousineau, yous getting back together with your state of war buddies, becoming an actor, all this stuff he's trying to practice to atone or brand himself better. You're done.

The sound that emanates felt very "2001" to me.

Yeah (laughs). That's Matt, our sound mixer, who came upwards with that on the stage. He just started doing dissimilar sounds for that. "What do you think of this? What do you think of that?" "Well, that sounds nifty."

Then Sally'due south storyline, we run across her and she's writing on the Medusa show, and it'due south just kind of a rough room.

Aye. That is very much a thing that I've heard from people who have these dandy younger writers' rooms, simply the just people they tin get to atomic number 82 them are people who take a lot of feel. So, someone who'due south been on a large sitcom. That guy was on "Everybody Loves Raymond," just I hope no 1 thinks that's u.s.a. bashing on "Anybody Loves Raymond."

No, it's but those guys have been around for awhile and get assigned to run these shows since they have then much feel.

Yep, those guys are just around, and that's a guy who was in the room of that show. All they practise is wait at a resume and go, "Wow, look at all this feel." And they don't meet heart to heart with what Sally's saying. Only the thought in full general is kind of insane. The guy doodling next to Emerge in that scene is ["Barry" writer] Duffy Boudreau. That'southward Duffy'south little cameo.

I've heard you talk so much most him over the years. That'southward cool.

He'southward my best friend. He and Liz Sarnoff are huge writers on the show, really crazy helpful. The three of united states are doing flavor iv right now. Liz had a cameo as the adult female who says you have too many dogs, and Duffy is the guy who's doodling next to Sarah.He was so nervous (laughs). He didn't know I was going to put him right next to Sarah. He thought I was going to put him fashion in the background.Then when I put him correct next to Sarah, he went, "I don't know what to do." And I said, "Only start doodling on this piece of paper." He was good.

Then of grade, Sally sees Natalie running her own show, and the way y'all shot it feels similar a horror film, almost Ari Aster-ish. And when she confronts her in the elevator it's all in 1 shot.

That was supposed to exist a lot of coverage, and then as we were setting it up in the elevator and I got in the elevator and I was watching the actors, I said, "Oh, Sarah, why don't you lot get her in a corner and arrive her face up?" And then I heard Gavin Kleintop, the offset AD, say to Carl Herse, the DP, he went, "This is going to exist a oner." (laughs) He watched information technology and he went, "Oh, human being, this is going to be a oner." And then I get, "Everybody, don't get too excited," considering that meant, you know, we were going to get out of in that location early on. And then I said, "Just hold on. Everybody relax." And then every bit we started walking through information technology I went, "Okay, allow'southward do it." And human being, were they neat. We only did three takes of it.

I think the most important line for me in that scene is her saying, "That's not a story, that's a math equation." Because I've been pitched math equations before. But in my opinion math equations, that'due south earlier algorithms. That'due south ever been effectually. I'm reading Sam Fuller's volume right now, and he'due south talking most making movies in the 30s and what was hot. That's what you exercise. "This is the formula."

Then we cut to Hank, and Hank is in Bolivia. Again, we go a brief comedic respite where he gets shot in the neck. He's so funny.

And he'southward very polite near it (laughs). "That's what I thought you lot were doing, but I didn't want to be rude."

It's very funny, but then we cut to him in the jail cell, and the score in that scene is telling you this is not funny.

No, this is bad.

Where did Hank going to Bolivia come from?

Well, initially he was going to come to Bolivia at the end of Episode 6. When I was talking about how we came upwardly with Beignets past Mitch was because we had Barry talking to his roommate, Sally was talking to Lindsay, and and then Hank was talking to an sometime man at a park. That is true. Merely the initial affair before that, which I couldn't say because I didn't desire to spoil this, was information technology was initially Hank at the airport not at a park. He was at the airport, and he was going to get to Santa Atomic number 26. He was going to exit of Dodge. And then he thought, "I can't do this. I've got to get to Cristobal." Then we had a joke where he said, "I need to go to Bolivia," and the guy went, "That's manner on the other side of the terminal," and he had to go walk this long distance to it. So, at the stop of Episode 6 you went, "Oh wow, Hank's going to Bolivia."

It was one of those things where you recall you lot demand something, and then you get in the edit and you become, "We don't demand any…" This wasn't even the edit. This was, you lot become to writing it and you lot get, "We actually don't need that." You only cut to him in Bolivia, and he still has his Dodgers hat. He's still dressed the aforementioned fashion as he was at Mitch's. He literally just went straight to Republic of bolivia (laughs). He didn't change his clothes, and he's wearing that stupid LA Dodgers hat. And we did what we chosen the "Silence of the Lambs" shot, which was him coming into frame and then booming up and losing him in the crowd. That is at Santee Alley in Los Angeles, and then VFX put in all the mountains and stuff.

He's having this conversation with Akhmal, and it's simply non funny. It's very scary.

I observe that conversation very moving, where they're there kind of because of him, yous know? And we don't see them, and they're hurt and they're trying to become out.

Then we have Fuches. He goes to Moss's dad's house and he drives him correct to the law station, which is bang-up.

(Laughs) I similar that scene with them in the auto. He says, "Await, you lot got your interrogator to kill himself?" And then Jim Moss says, "Yes, the other guys said I had an bent for information technology, but I just thought they were beingness nice."

Then he says, "Was there a history of mental illness in in that location?" Information technology'south similar to the parable scene where he'southward stuck on this one thing and can't want to move on.

He can't really move past 1 thing. He's not a very deep thinker (laughs). He merely goes, "Expect, what?" And it merely became a scene of two people just talking past each other.

In one case you get Fuches to the police station, then we follow Jim who talks to Gene. I really love the way y'all shot that scene with the high bending on Gene and low bending on Moss'southward dad, you have that zoom-in on the sweat, and he just gets everything he needs to know without pressing, really.

Yeah, you've now established that he is an amazing interrogator, and that he can figure out things, and yous just try to show it visually. That was a hard shot to get, that zoom-in on the sweat. You would recollect that would be elementary, but it was a tough i to go, because merely making the sweat then you could run across it. Henry was very patient that day. He had to sit through a lot of takes, and we kept going, "We're so pitiful, Henry. You're doing great. The sweat. We're not seeing the sweat."

When you introduced the idea of bringing Janice's dad into the mix, how before long did you figure out how he was going to fit into the puzzle of this at the end of the flavor?

It was early on. Just I knew it once we went through, "So, who's Fuches going to go to?" He'due south got to go to someone in Janice's family. At one point it was going to exist a sis, and then it was a brother, or there was a brother and a sister. We talked around and around, and so we landed on a father, because I like that, and how that likewise at least for this episode it parallels Ryan Madison'due south dad, that idea of parents losing children. And to really get home these people have gone through trauma, and Barry's trauma has now affected their trauma. And information technology doesn't matter even if y'all're the toughest guy on the planet. Making the dad formidable was actually interesting to u.s..

Well, Emerge's bluster goes online, and she puts on an apology, but I love her apology because it'south non an apology.

No, it's damage control. You watch everybody apologize more than to make themselves feel amend rather than really pregnant it.

Right. And she and Natalie have had a really sweet arc this season, and now in hindsight I recall telling you how much I loved their arc, and knowing where it goes, it's upsetting.

It's funny when you were maxim that to me, because I was like, "Well…" (laughs) Considering if y'all lookout Episode 5, when Emerge's bear witness is being canceled, Natalie is backside them taking notes. She's taking notes for what will become "Just Desserts," her prove.

I call back what Sally says is correct. Her amanuensis cares about her committee and her relationship with BanShe more she cared about Sally.

Information technology'south like both things are true. She does that, but then she's likewise going, "Sally, what you did hither totally negates what you were trying to practice with your evidence." Both things can be truthful. Her agent is being honest like, "You should accept waited for me to become here, and I would take told you non to do this, because this is just embarrassing." And and so Emerge fires back with another truth. "You don't care about me, y'all just intendance about your commission." I like that shot, because this thought of Sally backing into darkness. That was something that we worked on, and Sarah Goldberg did that, and that'south an incredibly tough thing to practise. And that'southward the first take. We said, "Let's only try it, to see if we can practise information technology. This is going to be tough, because you have to back up and everything." And she did it perfect.

So, Barry in the car with Ryan'due south dad, is a very unsettling conversation. And what you have to say about these parents who have lost children is the mutual thread here. What was it like putting that together?

That thespian, Michael [Bofshever], did a groovy job. I just had to lay in the back and listen to him, and we did the third have. The first two takes were good, but I said, "Why don't you do one where you just say it? Only say the words. Don't give it anything, just say the words. We'll see what happens." So he did it. Midway through he got really emotional. It was really groovy. And nosotros said, "Cut," and I said, "Hey, that was great." And I was squeezing his arm from the backseat going, "That was great, Michael." Then Gavin Kleintop, the first AD, stuck his head in the car and he went, "That was money." (laughs)

But actually, the close up of me in the back seat, that is a pickup on stage. Nosotros shot that shot of me on stage. It literally was lay down, did that for one minute, and then got upward and went to some other stage and shot another scene. Merely they went, "Pecker, we need to get to some other phase," whatever it was, "to shoot this existent quick shot, this pickup." And then, that was that.

Merely initially I had pitched, which was a bad idea, that Ryan Madison's dad shows up at Barry's apartment and the roommates are having a party with the acting class. He shows up into the acting course, and a shooting happens, and some of the interim class ends up dead. The idea was that Barry's community that he's trying to get back together, his past comes back and destroys it.

The writers unanimously were like, "No. Let's not exercise that." I got defensive and, "No, I recollect it'll work," and so I call back driving dwelling house and calling Duffy Boudreau and him proverb, "No, human, information technology needs to be about Ryan Madison and Barry. Ryan Madison'southward dad and Barry. It doesn't have anything to do with the class. It should be the 2 of them." And so when I started talking nigh him proverb, "When I had Ryan, I never thought I could injure anything, but if anything happened to that child…" Information technology went, boom, we got it. That'due south it. And and so it all came together very fast: He drives him to the hospital, he sits there, he doesn't know what to do.

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My starting time kid was born in September and information technology really gets you.

Information technology's painful, information technology's really emotional. I experience information technology, and it also just hits dwelling of what I've ever wanted to exercise with the bear witness, which is you lot take this premise of hitman becomes an actor, and how funny, and this volition be very glib." The amount of people who heard that pitch and went, "Oh, I know what that's going to be," and you get, "No, you play it existent."

The funny thing is, y'all retrieve of Ryan Madison, Ryan Madison is just a dope. He's just this dumb, good-looking actor guy, but that guy had someone out at that place who loved him and cherished him, and he was the about important person in the earth to his dad. I remember Duffy and I, every bit we talked it through were like, "That's what it is." To testify that guy meant something. Again, the political party thought was me leading with an idea, leading with a big thought of "Oh, my gosh, how awful would that be?" And everybody going, "I feel similar that has nothing to do with what nosotros're saying, though." They were right. So, I went back and so I was similar, "Well, what if information technology's this…" And and so when it became an emotional thing that I could relate to, we got it. So information technology only becomes, "In that location's no other choice. Information technology's got to exist this."

I dearest that dissolve into Fuches in the interrogation room.

That's a directly elevator from "The Godfather," man (laughs). That is a directly lift from The Godfather, those long cross-dissolves.

Yeah, and Fuches is the manager of this pain, essentially. He tapped into this. And I dearest that interrogation scene where he opens up and he'due south virtually bragging about what he was able to practice with Barry.

What he's expert at is manipulating people. That was very early on when nosotros brought Albert in and said, "Oh, what if Albert comes back, and then somehow Fuches tells Albert that Barry killed Chris?" So, Albert's going to go later Barry. That was very early. That was the whole pitch on bringing Albert back.

And so I just think Stephen Root, once more, he'due south ane of my favorite actors. He'south so amazing in that scene, and that was, again, one where I had the over on him, which were in for a second, just wider with the Coke and the chips in the foreground and him. And then nosotros did one take of that and I went, "Man, Stephen is hot. He doing skilful." Not that Stephen isn't unremarkably good, but he had a real read on how to do this scene, and I was really earthworks it. We did it once and I went, "All correct, go into the closeup. We should do the closeup at present," yous know?

And we went in a closeup, and Gavin was fifty-fifty alee of me. He went, "Dude, I call up…," and I was like, "Get in a closeup?" He'southward similar, "Yeah, man, holy sh-t. He's on burn down right now." So he did information technology just what you run into. When we had finished his take we all applauded, and that was it. He went, "Really?" and information technology was like, "Yeah, human, that was it. That was astonishing." And we kept the whole thing in. I just went to Frankie [Guttman] the editor and said, "That take, just leave the whole thing in. I just dearest it."

Then it sets upwards a very fun finale, which I'm sure will be hilarious.

The finale is very intense. I will say that the finale is incredibly intense. In that location's non a lot of jokes in information technology. A couple of the actors have seen information technology and called me crying (laughs). Our colorist, very sweetness guy, said, "It usually takes me a twenty-four hours to do one of these episodes." He said, "Episode viii took me a couple of days, because I kept on having to accept breaks." I showed all the episodes to the writers, and one of our writers in the middle of Episode 8 had a full-blown panic attack. So, I just want to warn people (laughs). Episode 8 is very intense, but I personally really love it, and I didn't see some other place the show could go. But at that place's very little laughs. It's very intense.

If you missed our previous "Barry" episodic interviews with Hader, catch up below:

• 'Barry': Bill Hader Breaks Down the Season three Finale and That Ending
• 'Barry': Bill Hader Explains How He Pulled Off That Chase in Season 3 Episode 6
• Bill Hader Explains How 'Road Warrior' and 'Thief' Inspired 'Barry' Flavor 3 Episode 5
• Nib Hader Breaks Downward 'Barry' Flavor 3 Episode 4: 'You're Watching Trauma'
• 'Barry' Flavor 3: Bill Hader on Bad Junket Questions and How Reshoots Refined Episode iii
• 'Barry' Season iii: Bill Hader on Barry's Episode two Flare-up and the Fallout
• Nib Hader Breaks Downward the 'Barry' Flavour 3 Premiere

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